The Struggle Bus: Self-Care, Mental Health, and Other Hilarious Stuff

On this episode: Taking a day off of work, cycling in Manhattan, awesome therapists, and why light roast coffee is trash. Plus listener emails about whether you should give up on your dreams and how to trust when you have a history of sexual assault and dudes betraying your trust.

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Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

On this episode: Fear and loathing re: the state of the world. Plus listener emails about: friends who don’t seem to get what you’re going through mental health-wise and parenting your partner’s kid.

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Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 6:56am EDT

On this episode: Extra long and rambling jibber jabber, plus listener emails about setting boundaries with parents, people who mistreat service personnel, and healing from/processing rape.

Direct download: Episode_65__There_Go_All_My_F_ks.mp3
Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

On this episode: Coming out as non-binary, porn and feminism, and patching things up with a friend who might be emotionally unstable.

Direct download: Episode_64__Queer_Reading_Club.mp3
Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

On this episode: late bloomers, work stress and processing PTSD, caring for traumatized kids, and creating emotional distance from a toxic parent. 

Direct download: Episode_63__Springsteening.mp3
Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 12:34pm EDT

Episode 62: AOL Dot Chat

On this episode: Dancing and not dancing, therapy dogs, inconsiderate partners, being triggered by a co-worker’s shenanigans, and awkward situations with a former friend.

Direct download: Episode_62__AOL_Dot_Chat.mp3
Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 9:13am EDT

On this episode: Patriarchy in comedy (and also everywhere), recovering from an emotionally abusive relationship, wtf is talent anyway, and feeling torn between multiple career/life paths.

Direct download: Episode_61__Patriarchy___Comedy___Burn_It_Down.mp3
Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 12:58am EDT

On this episode: the “friend zone” (LOL), parents are (sometimes awful) people, too, being friends with someone you want to date, your friend’s terrible partner, and a toxic ex who demands closure.

Direct download: Episode_60__Reconnoiter.mp3
Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

On this episode, Kate and Sally answer listener emails about sexual assault, sex drive mismatch, and dating with depression.

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Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 7:11am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally answer listener emails about dealing with an unreliable friend who lies a lot, handling the end of a long relationship, and dealing with a difficult dad.

Direct download: Episode_58__The_Adventures_of_Loopy_and_Peanut_Butter.mp3
Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 8:18am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally answer listener emails about dealing with disrespectful relatives, whether you should intervene in a workplace outing, and body image/self-love. 

Direct download: Episode_57__Take_What_You_Need.mp3
Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally answer listener emails about how to respond to a friend’s declaration of love/attraction, and staying in touch with siblings who live with the parents you’re no longer talking to.

Direct download: Episode_56__Pluto_Truther_1.mp3
Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally talk about listener-suggested topics including: dog park adventures, living in NYC, dealing with breakups, performative allyship, happy life moments, and more!

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Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 3:01pm EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally answer listener emails about: recovering from the suicide of a loved one, figuring out if that flirtatious person likes you, and what to do when your co-workers are the worst.

Direct download: Episode_54__Well_Let_Me_Ask_You_This.mp3
Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 4:00am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally talk about Orlando, allyship, and Pride. Then they answer listener emails about: stress management when you hate your job and are looking for a new one, figuring out your gender identity, and how to deal with feeling like a failure in your career.

Direct download: Episode_53__Drapering.mp3
Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 5:00am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally talk about all kindsa stuff listeners asked us to discuss: age differences in relationships, emotional vampires, how the hell to have a healthy relationship, setting boundaries, and also a buncha stuff about themselves!

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Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 7:00am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally answer listener emails about: coming out and whether you even "have to,” what to do when you’re not sexually attracted to your partner, and how to deal with feeling isolated and longing for intimacy and connection.

Direct download: Episode_51__Dip_Your_Toe_In_It.mp3
Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 8:08am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally answer listener emails about an age difference in a relationship, the importance of supportive friends in the aftermath of abuse, and what to do about therapyfail after therapyfail.

Direct download: Episode_50__A_Heap_of_Flaming_Garbage.mp3
Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 8:12am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally answer listener emails about body positivity, life and job anxiety, and helping a partner find a therapist.

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Category:Mental Health -- posted at: 6:58am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally answer listener emails about: how to move on from past relationships, the question "Am I a mansplainer?," and how to deal with a condescending--ahem--mansplainer in your group martial arts class. 

Direct download: Episode_48__Actually.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 5:07am EDT

On this episode super special guest co-host Mara Wilson (@MaraWritesStuff) joins Kate and Sally to answer questions about: how to deal with feeling super hopeless, telling your therapist about a (possible) eating disorder, and what to do when you hate your job but can’t seem to land a new one.

Direct download: Episode_47__Welcome_To_The_Clown_Show.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 9:21am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally answer listener emails about toxic family situations, resources for a partner who's transitioning in a small rural town, and the whys and hows of contacting exes.

Direct download: Episode_46__Emotional_Explosion.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 10:25am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally answer listener emails about: helping a partner who’s burning out, relationships with big age differences, and toxic, racist a-holes in your friend group.

Direct download: Episode_45__Molehills_Out_Of_Mountains.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 11:37am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally answer listener emails about: loving community but loathing groupthink, how to handle your partner’s unhealthy relationships, and how being in therapy impacts your relationship.

Tweet at Kate and Sally or the podcast! Plus, find a “Struggle Buddy” on Twitter at #StrugglePodBuds420.

We are now on SoundcloudStitcher and Instagram! www.strugglebuspodcast.com

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 7:00am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally share some listener updates and feedback and answer emails about people who judge your reproductive choices, difficult mothers-in-law, and leaving the toxic comfort zone of your parents’ home.

Direct download: Episode_43__The_Toxic_Comfort_Zone.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 7:00am EDT

Episode 42: Mrs. Coach

On this episode Kate and Sally answer listener emails about a possibly toxic roller derby community, when and why you shouldn't intervene in someone else’s problems, moving away from home for the first time, and body image issues.

Direct download: Episode_42__Mrs._Coach.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 6:37am EDT

On this episode Kate and Sally welcome a very special guest co-host: Molly Knefel (@mollyknefel) of Radio Dispatch. They answer questions about dealing with a guy who is maybe kind of a creep, libido mismatch in a relationship, and resources for trans identified people.

Direct download: Episode_41__Molly_s_Bachelorette_Party.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 7:00am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally answer listener emails about academic trouble mixed with impostor syndrome and how talk to a friend with benefits about pursuing a relationship. Also! Lots of new ways/places to follow us online and interact with other listeners!

We are now on Soundcloud, Stitcher and Instagram!

 

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 7:00am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally announce an exciting new thing. Then they answer emails about choosing a career path, being a trans ally and dealing with TERFs, and how to spend your free time doing stuff that makes you feel enriched and productive. Also, they discuss Kevin Costner.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 7:00am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally discuss working with someone you want to date, how to start dating at all, getting closure and whether that’s even a thing anyway, and how to deal with boundary-less people/communities.

Direct download: Struggle_Bus_The_Situationship.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 9:00am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally discuss what to throw or break when you’re in an uncontrollable rage. Then they answer emails about figuring out dating, siblings with addiction, and how to do self-care when you’re depressed.

Direct download: Struggle_Bus_Winona_Ryder.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 7:00am EDT

Episode 36: Lean In

On this episode Kate and Sally answer emails about open relationships, making a huge and scary life change, and overbearing parents. They also mispronounce "Neko Atsume" over and over. 

Direct download: Struggle_Bus_Lean_In.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 8:31am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally re-cap the live show and answer emails about supporting an unambitious partner, grieving the loss of a companion animal, and dealing with the stigma of a mental illness diagnosis.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 4:57pm EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally and special guests Janeane Garofalo and Chemda Hennessy answer audience questions at the first-ever Struggle Bus LIVE. Complete with lots of laughs and a doozy of a blooper. Recorded at Union Hall in Brooklyn on February 8th, 2016.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 9:56am EDT

In this episode a fan from Norway teaches Kate and Sally how to properly pronounce Lykke Li’s name. Then they discuss Neko Atsume, how to talk to people about old self-harm scars, friendship triangles in which one friend might be abusive, and going to the gynecologist.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 12:23pm EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally get kinda loopy. They answer emails about looking for jobs when you’re gender non-conforming, flirting outside of your relationship, and what to do when a friend makes out with your crush. Plus, show bloopers!

Get tickets to Struggle Bus Live on February 8 at Union Hall in Brooklyn with Janeane Garofalo and Chemda Hennessy!

Direct download: SB_Final.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 1:24pm EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally talk self-care, support networks, and squirrels. They answer emails about disclosing mental health stuff to employers, life after toxic families and what therapy is like, and leaving your shame shell to embark on a new career. 

Get tickets to Struggle Bus Live on February 8 at Union Hall in Brooklyn with Janeane Garofalo and Chemda Hennessy!

Direct download: SB22_1.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 11:32am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally have a VERY BIG announcement about their live show on February 8 at Union Hall in Brooklyn. Buy tickets at strugglebuspodcast.com! Then they answer emails about how and when to talk to your partner about the longterm, what to do when you’re in an LTR with someone who’s away a lot, and what to do when you’re partner doesn’t accept who you are.

Direct download: SB2_1.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 11:03am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally talk about movies and not making new year’s resolutions. Then they discuss why it’s NBD to not have much sexual/romantic experience, how to prevent co-dependence from taking root in a super intimate friendship, and knowing when to stop educating people in favor of practicing self-care.

STRUGGLE BUS LIVE IS COMING TO BROOKLYN FEBRUARY 8TH! 

 

Direct download: SB1.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 12:33pm EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally suggest making a 5-year plan that starts with dumping your partner, the weird dynamic of men thinking you’re hitting on them when you’re super not, how to get through a tough break, and the hellishness that is dealing with a toxic family over the holidays.

Direct download: SB2.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 11:03am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally talk about dealing with the ghosts of emotional vampires past, how to deal when you’re feeling alone and miserable in your current environment, and attending events where someone who abused you will also be present.

Have a question? Tweet at Kate and Sally or the podcast! Plus, find a “Struggle Buddy” on Twitter at #StrugglePodBuds420.

Theme song by Marty Scanlon!

Direct download: SB22.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 9:55am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally make a very special announcement about The Struggle Bus. They then answer listener emails about dealing with colleagues who are monsters, parents who aren’t accepting, and how to make tricky career decisions. Then they rant about self-care during the holidays. For a while. 

Direct download: SB.mp3
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 10:24am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally introduce a new recommendation segment. (Please help them name it!) They then answer emails about choosing between the security of a job you hate and the riskiness of pursuing your dream, dealing with preachy mansplainers, and coming out to your parents.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 10:21am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally talk about Friday Night Lights. Extensively. They then answer emails about open marriages, pursuing “taboo" sexual attractions, and coming out to friends about being depressed.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 2:09pm EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally talk about how gratitude is important but is also hippie garbage. They then answer an email from a listener who is wondering how to start coming out as genderqueer in their conservative environment. They then discuss an email from a queer high school student who wants help with social anxiety as well as learning to be vulnerable. Finally they answer an email from someone who needs advice on working a service job that is emotionally and physically exhausting without being too tired or miserable to function.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 10:37am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally give advice to a listener who suffers from panic attacks and needs help figuring out how to deal until they can get to a counselor. Then they answer an email from a listener who is a high-functioning schizophrenic struggling with whether or not she should have kids. Finally they respond to an email from someone who needs advice about how to help (without enabling) a friend who's addicted to heroin.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 10:35am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally answer an email from a listener who recently suffered a bummer of a romantic heartbreak and is wondering how to make sense of it. Then they discuss an email from someone who is worried about being able to maintain friendships with people once they start having kids. Finally they talk about about sexuality, choices, feelings, and labeling because duh.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 11:48am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally answer an email from a listener who wants some advice on how to deal when people constantly mislabel their sexuality. Then they respond to a listener who’s weighing the pros and cons of entering a 12-step program for their maybe alcoholism. Finally they discuss an email from a listener who has a bunch of anxiety and a super volatile partner.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 9:23am EDT

Episode 19: Taking It An Hour At A Time

In this episode Kate shares some mental health updates and Sally responds to a listener’s email about queer allyship. Then they answer an email from someone who needs advice on how to deal with life stuff while also being overwhelmed by life stuff, including coming out. They then read an email from a person who feels guilty about putting her own needs before those of her friends. Finally, someone writes in with a serious dilemma about joining the army.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 11:10pm EDT

In this extra long episode Sally rants her face off about marriage equality and intersectionality. Then Kate tells a story about dealing about a restaurant guest who customersplained why she was undertipping. They then answer listener emails about: how to come out as autistic when you’re self-diagnosed, if there’s such a thing as taking it "too personally” when you’re dealing with prejudice, and how to get back into dating after medical complications following gender confirmation surgery.
Direct download: Struggle_Bus3.m4a
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 12:04am EDT

Episode 17: Online Dating Profiles, DWIs, and #Veganproblems

In this episode Kate’s and Sally answer an email from a listener who needs help with his OkCupid profile, from the conceptualizing to the writing. They then discuss an email from a listener who is dealing with guilt and self-loathing after getting a DWI. Finally they answer an email from a vegan listener who wants to know how to cope with her rage with respect to a meat-eating, animal-hunting coworker. Bonus: Lots of fun pseudonyms this week!

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 8:37am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally read an update from a listener about her limp handshake and the mainsplainer who mansplained it to her. Then they answer emails asking about trigger warnings, sexuality stuff, what to do when the going gets very rough, and when (if ever) you should share your best practices for dealing with chronic ailments with fellow sufferers (vs. when you should just MYOB). This week’s outro song is provided by TSB listener Augusta.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 9:43am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally discuss all different kinds of coming out, answering emails from: a married man who cross dresses and wants his partner to understand who he is, a semi-closeted lesbian living in a conservative, religious community, and someone  wondering when the right time is to tell someone you’re dating about a mental health diagnosis.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 5:51am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally discuss a listener’s question about how she dealt with a mansplainer. They then help a lost listener understand how to rethink his approach to talking to women. Finally they give a listener strong opinions about her long term relationship and masturbation. (And other stuff.)

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 7:54am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally talk about loss, grief, and migraines and then answer an email from a listener about being a senior in high school dealing with…all kinds of stressful life stuff. They then respond to a listener who wants some advice about the nightmarish hellscape that is online dating, and finally, they answer an email from someone who is kicking ass careeer-wise but can’t seem to find an awesome, together partner.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 9:05am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally talk about those rare beautiful moments when you realize everything is (sort of) okay (for now). Then they answer a listener email about dealing with an ~intense~ mom when a history of disordered eating is in the mix. Next up, they discuss an email from a listener about how to get (consensually) weird (in a queer way) when you’re assumed to be straight. Finally, they try to help a listener untangle a complicated sibling situation.

AND THE BEST NEWS EVER The Struggle Bus is a Spotify playlist! 

Have a question? Tweet at Kate and Sally or the podcast! Plus, find a “Struggle Buddy” on Twitter at #StrugglePodBuds420.

Theme song by Marty Scanlon!

Direct download: SBFinal.m4a
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 8:23am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally talk about why rainy days are the best days and how taking a break from therapy is the ultimate self-care. They answer listener emails about making friends when you’re socially awkward, dealing with people when you hate all people, and how to cope with emotionally abusive family members without abandoning your siblings. Oh, and enjoy the non-denominational Easter egg at this episode’s conclusion!

Have a question? Tweet at Kate and Sally or The Podcast! Plus, find a “Struggle Buddy” on Twitter at #StrugglePodBuds420.

 

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 12:25am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally catch you up on their lives, from how charming and wonderful Norm Lewis is to friend breakups that suck. They discuss emails from a couple of listeners, including one who has figured out the perfect way to trick aggressive bros out of leaving you alone in a bar. (Hint: It involves using heteronormativity as a weapon...in a subversive way.) They then answer a listener’s question about healthy relationships and how to, like, have one? (Spoiler: We can only guess.)

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 9:08pm EDT

In this episode: Kate and Sally read some incredible iTunes reviews, unveil a brilliant new way to incorporate your questions into the show, and get excited about Norm Lewis. They then read a letter from a listener who wants advice on how to deal with sharing a college campus with a stalker/bully from her past. Then Kate and Sally wax rambly about therapy—what it's like, what you can expect, how you know you have a good therapist, and much more. 

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 9:11am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally share some recent health scares (everyone’s fine!) in their lives and their feelings about how complicated relationships become when one partner cares for the other. They then discuss a listener’s letter about being stressed out social worker who is six months pregnant and is dealing with a sex drive that’s bumming her out. Finally, they resurrect (yet again!) the conversation about identity and sexuality and the elasticity of the labels we use.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 10:07am EDT

In this episode: The Zin is in and the shoes are off (literally). Sally talks about her first ever Christmas and Kate's eventful (not in a good way) New Year's Eve. Next up, Kate and Sally respond to a young single parent who wants to explore a new career but is wondering if it’s too late (spoiler alert: it’s not) and whether it's good parenting to do so (spoiler alert: it is, and we explain why). Finally we respond to an email from a listener in Utah who wants to know what the hell is up with her feelings of jealousy and control in her otherwise open, trusting, and communicative relationship.

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 8:09am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally thank listeners for writing and tweeting amazing things and for reviewing the podcast in iTunes and giving it 5 stars (hint). Kate shares her recent trip on the struggle bus and Sally vents about white people performing allyship. They then discuss a listener's dilemma about finding the perfect word to describe her non-normative sexuality. Finally Kate and Sally address a listener's question about when it's okay for a man to approach a woman on the street to compliment her appearance. Spoiler alert: Somewhere between never and never ever. 

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 11:23am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally respond to a listener’s question about what to do when an awful person from her past is internet-famous for being a great guy. Plus: Don't ride the struggle bus alone! Use #strugglepodbuds to find other listeners who want a struggle buddy. And finally, how to deal with an overwhelming desire to travel and an underwhelming amount of money with which to do it. BONUS: Kate tells us all about how she recently shamed a street harasser…with an inspired, tear-jerking performance. And a new song of the week!

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 10:20am EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally discuss "emotional vampires," answer listener questions about how to approach someone you like, and how to not hate the world. PLUS Sally recommends a song to get you through the day. Also, news about an upcoming live show!

Direct download: SB5.m4a
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 10:17am EDT

In this episode, Kate and Sally discuss siblings, horrible professors and getting out of unhealthy situations. Also, Kate tells an embarrassing story and Sally doles out some wisdom from RuPaul. Theme song by Marty Scanlon!

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 8:20pm EDT

In this episode Kate and Sally talk about some of their struggles this week, and answer a listener question about finances and friendship. Plus, what not to do when you see a table full of women at a restaurant. And a new theme song by Marty Scanlon!

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Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 12:06pm EDT

Hosts Kate and Sally discuss how they met, what not to say to someone who has just gone through a break up, and give advice about helping friends through other tough times. Plus, they answer their first listener question!

Direct download: StruggleBus5.m4a
Category:Self-Help -- posted at: 5:40pm EDT